Navy commodore Kayode Luke Olofinmoyin hosts the editorial team of Ekiti Standard Newspaper in the residence of Bishop of Ekiti Catholic Diocese, Bishop Felix Ajakaye where he tells the story of his eventful years in this exclusive interview commemorating his 70th birthday Lekan Adejuwon and Ayodele Abere reports.
Recently, you joined the exclusive club of septuagenarians which is a rare feat in this part of the world, how do you feel at 70?
First of all, we must give glory to God. The feeling is amazing. You just look back and you ask yourself, so I am 70? When you also looked at the opportunities that God has given you in that course of time, privileges, promotions, appointments, family, friends, foes.., Yes. you must mention this because there’s no human being in this world that would say there are no enemies. But God has told us that there will be challenges when you are growing, but He would give you the wherewithal to overcome it. So when you look at all those factors, in fact, you have so much satisfaction. It’s like you don’t want anything again. That’s the honest feeling. At the end of the day, when you looked back at all these I am telling you, the feeling is like you don’t want anything again. God has blessed my family, my children are doing well, they are raising their own families now and the moment your children start raising their own families, you have finished your job in this world because instead of them bothering you as Daddy, Daddy, somebody is now calling them Daddy. So your duty now is for you to rest. That was the feeling the very day I clocked 70. It’s like you said it’s all over in a peaceful way, in a joyful way. Not that you mean any unusual thing for yourself, but you just have to say thank God. There’s nothing I want again.
Okay, from the tone of your analysis, you sounded as if you were a fulfilled man at 70 are you?.
Of course. Again, If you looked at the population of this country, 200 million people. If you have the privilege to govern a state, that means you can be counted on the fingertips in this country. When they say one, two, three, four, five, six, and so on,..you know, that not too far, it would reach you. I mean, to have the rare opportunity to be counted among the number that had the privilege to govern a state, it’s God and it can only be God’s love for you because there is no way you can be the best among your contemporaries. There is always somebody who is better than you but for the grace of God because God gave you the grace to have that opportunity. It’s fulfilling and it’s something you must always be grateful and thank God for.
Having said that sir, can you briefly share with us the story of your growing up and childhood?
I was born in Ibadan. 13th May, 1950. My parents, I think in their own days, they moved to Ibadan. My parents were working there. My dad was working in the hospital, Adeoyo General Hospital then. Adeoyo used to be a very famous hospital in Ibadan and my mum was a typical trader, very active trader in Dugbe. Dugbe is the big market. Mum was quite active. So, that’s where I grew up and then, we had very strong Catholic background. The family really has strong Catholic background. Today when I am now an adult, I used to be grateful and thank God for my parents, my dad and my mum though, not too much educated but basic. At the time in question, the order of the day was if you’re able to do the kind of job he was doing at the General Hospital then, the order of the day was that of typical Ekiti man with many wives. I keep on imagining that how did he had that courage just to stick to my mum alone and all the children from my mum alone, so we had it closely knit family. It’s now that I am realising how did my father took that decision? When we looked at many of his contemporaries particularly in Ekiti, there’s hardly anyone that don’t have multiple wives. My primary school was aCatholic school in Ibadan,St, Cyprians Catholic Primary School. Generally, I think I was very active in all aspects, educationally, socially and sports wise, I was a very active child, of course, my dad lived in Ibadan and you know a typical Ekiti man wants his children to have the feei of Ekiti because I remember I can’t even speak Ekiti. So, being a typical Ekiti man, he wants us to come home for our high education. He advised that I should go to Ekiti for my secondary education, and you know of course, that Ekiti blood is very strong while growing in Ibadan, the way we looked at Ekiti at the period was like that of a rural place. You know, It’s an attraction. It’s a different civilization to people in Lagos and Ibadan, especially those of them that we interacted with, through my dad’s influence in Ibadan. He was the chairman of Ilawe Ekiti Improvement Union, so the house was always flowing with Ilawe people. So, they looked really original, natural people. I was impressed when dad said ‘go to secondary school in Ekiti’ and that was my first time of knowing Ilawe and I was around 15 years old then, I went to Annunciation School, Ikere-Ekiti and I was lucky to be successful in the exams and interview. With the strong Catholic background I had, nothing was strange to me. I was admitted into the school and like I earlier said, the second part of the fun is that, you are different from everybody because majority of the students were Ekiti, Ekiti background, the intonation is Ekiti. This is me now coming from Ibadan. You are like an attraction, everybody is a friend and you too, you are a friend to everybody because you are excited the way they speak Ekiti and they too are excited the way I don’t mix my Ibadan with Ekiti, no adulteration. I had nice time in my secondary school. As usual again, I was very active educationally, in sports and Catholicism because at various stages, when I got to my senior classes, I was the Games Prefect because I virtually do all sports. I do everything, athletics, long tennis, table tennis, boxing and football. I was the school prefect and the games prefect, I was the football captain. I was quite busy because I love sports and the performance in school too was good. I was able to combine education with those other activities. Also, in the church I was a Sacristian, the people who assist the priest and arrange the priest’s clothes in the morning. And then, during holidays, Daddy made it mandatory that instead of coming to Ibadan, go to Ilawe so that I get used to all those old mothers who are related to my two parents because both of them are from Ilawe. So everywhere in the town you found out you have relations. During holiday periods, daddy said instead of coming to Ibadan, stay at home because you have seen so much of Ibadan. So I got used to them and I started going to farm. Before then, I just eat yam, I don’t know how yam grows because none of us ever went to farm. There’s no farm in Ibadan. We were not trained to farm there because there was nothing like farming there. So all those things were very exciting. I went to farm with my friends in Ilawe during holidays. We go to the farm and the excitement of even sleeping in the hut was a big fun. You eat natural things, you kill all these rats from the bushes. It was a very good experience for somebody from Ibadan, a child from Ibadan, it was a lot of fun.
Thanks for sharing part of your childhood experience, Could you also remember your first day at school?
That was January that time, after the new year. It was very exciting because Catholic schools are very regimenteds. The priests of those days who are the principals, were the tutors. Everybody was white and mixed with the Nigerian counterparts. It’s a very regimental school. There was discipline. I remember we wake up around 5:00a.m in the morning. The standard was so tough that when you wake up like that, even if you see your parents, you must not say good morning. Yes. The policy of the priests. Our Father then was Reverend Father Maccathy who was the principal. The policy is that you talk to God first. Even if you meet the principal within your dormitory, all of us assembled in the chapel around 5:30 a.m for Morning Mass. Even if you meet the principal on the road, you don’t say good morning. You don’t. He too wouldn’t even talk to you until after the Mass. After the Mass now, you can embrace yourselves and greet yourselves. After that, you go back to your dormitory and get prepared for the day’s activities in the school. So it was a discipline environment. You know a child easily adapt to training. You are bendable and anything you are doing, you adjust to it. I must tell you, my experience in Annunciation School, that’s what led to my joining the military because I was already used to regimental life and it’s the same thing in the military. The same life I was living in Annunciation School, it’s the same life I met when I joined the Nigeria Defense Academy (NDA).
Let’s go back to your career , was your decision to join the Navy accidental or planned, if not why Navy out of the three military services?
In fact, that’s a very nice question. Very good one. You know, every child in this life has somebody who is like a model. You look up to somebody. You want to model your life particularly when you are in secondary school age. I have a big uncle, retired lieutenant colonel S.A. Afolalu. He was the most senior military officer in Ilawe. During the war, he was exceptionality brilliant and very active in the military. He, certainly is a soldiers’ soldier. He was very active and brilliant. He was based in Ibadan and then my parents like I said were Ibadan based. After my secondary school, of course I went back to Ibadan. With the interaction between my dad and that my mentor, I am always looking at him and he too recognized how I was quite brilliant. He said what’s your result? I said so so so. In fact, I am science biased. That time in the school, it’s all science. We rarely do art. I was science biased. So when my mentor saw my WAEC result, very good result. He said why don’t you take interest in the military? As a young star in Ibadan, we used to go to all these army spots, we would just go and stand behind them and be looking, watching them marching which was fun and magnetic. It entices small children. With that type of experience and the big man now telling me why don’t you go into military, then, I opted in. I just finished secondary school and I was pursuing University of Ibadan, then the NDA and at the same time, I was trying to go to the United States again you know we had opportunities at that time. Now, the big question of how did you come about the navy? My big boss, Colonel Afolalu, I think, he based his jdgement on the result of my WAEC and my bias for science, my exposure to Ibadan and Lagos. Lest I forget, we used to travel to Lagos to see bar beach in thoses days. I think based on those factors he advised that I should go for the navy. I was even surprised he didn’t say I should go to the army where he belonged and did very well. Naturally, you would have expected him to say go to the army but that’s why mentors are good. They can see the future, guide and counsel you. So he believed that with my bias and Navy is the service that you have to be mentally very alert. You must be the type that you are educationally inclined. You have to be relating with foreign civilizations. I am sure he saw all those qualities and said go to the Navy. I too have seen the Navy before like any other children way back in the primary school where they used to organise tour to Lagos, like excursion where we were exposed to the sea. I was convinced and said it’s okay.
You rose to the peak of your career as a Navy Commodore, what has the experience been?
Like I said again, I have to give glory to God. In any service, a Navy Commodore is a Brigadier General equivalent in the Army. That is what people would normally understand. That means basically, you are able to get to the rank of a General in your career. That is the dream of any regularly trained military officer. Those of us who went to NDA were called regular officers. that is, professionals. You are a professional, you are a military expert. So, the dream even right from the NDA is for any young man to reach the rank of a General before you retire. When you look at the number of you who started together and a very few is able to get to the rank of a General, it’s only God’s grace and just like I said at the beginning, you can’t get to that peak without challenges, there are times in your career when you even think it’s over, when you see all sort of things, threats, challenges. In military, you are competing all the times, envy, rivalry and all that you know. When you look at those things and God takes you to the level where you retired as a Navy Commodore, you must continue to give honour and glory to God. It’s God. It’s not by your making because other young military officers are also very brilliant. Everybody is brilliant, everybody is ambitious, everybody wants to get there but along the line, one way or the other, it’s God that normally select those people who will be at the top of the ladder.
You have just said everything about your experience, now can you mention some of your unforgettable moments in the service?
Of course, I love the sea. So most of my appointments were commands at sea right from junior officer, from Lieutenant, I commanded a warship, from Lieutenant Commander, which is a Major equivalent, I commanded a warship, as a lieutenant Colonel equivalent which is a Commander, I commanded a warship. The most unforgettable experience which is your big question. You know, when you are in the NDA and done with your training and by the time you are going to pass out, there is always a very senior personnel, we call him the Reviewing Officer like the President, during our own time, it was the Military Head of State, they usually come for the passing out parade and in their address, they would always tell you, look, don’t think you are here just for fun. Everybody will fight his own war, they would tell you that. Some people fought the Civil war, after the Civil war, ECOMOG. Today, it’s Boko Haram insurgency. Everybody will fight his own war. So, significantly, I commanded the Nigerian Navy in ECOMOG in Liberian operation and then, it was a real bad war. The most significant experience, just like I have said, even right from the young officer, I have been commanding ships, as a lieutenant, as a Lieutenant Commander, now as a commander in the war front. I was the most senior officer afloat, that is, the most Senior officer in command of the ship in the war front. We are a squadron, a squadron is like four ships from Nigeria, that means automatically, my ship is the most senior ship. During operations, you know we are collaborating with the Army, we are supporting the Army’s operation. If they had to go for ground attacks, you know Liberia has a long sea coast and the strategic areas are in the sea. So there was a time I had to take all the four ships for an attack in one of the Ports in Liberia, you can imagine how many years I have been in command, bu command in Liberia is real life operation, it’s a different ball game. It’s my responsibility, I took all the various ships there and then we were supposed to go and bombard enemy’s position in the middle of the night around 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. That bombardment would assist the Army to move in the morning and overrun the enemy location. So when we got to that spot and then I had to detail a ship which would do the bombardment and when the ship got into ‘Firing position’ they have to take permission from me as the most senior officer is to commence ‘firing when in station onboard. The report is thus; ‘Sir, now in firing station, permission to commence firing!’. Do you know for almost 60 seconds, I couldn’t give go ahead, the response that would have been from me was to ‘order ‘commence firing’ because order in a war situation must be concise and precise, no doubt at all because responsibility is on you. So for about 60 seconds I couldn’t tell him commence firing, why? Because I was imagining it’s a sleepy town, 3:00 a.m, the location they’re supposed to bombard is there. I now said to myself, so this thing is real. I was imagining deaths. I was imagining how people who were just sleeping would die and they wouldn’t even know how they died. But now at a point you would realise that look, this is a war. If the enemy has that advantage, they won’t give you a chance. At that point, I just told him commence firing and of course, bombardment started. Like I said, we had four ships, the moment you gave that first order, the other ones were just following and as expected, the next morning, we knew the results and of course, it made the Army job very easy. That was my most memorable moment in the service. When you now know that so this is real, during training, so many rehearsals even though you know you are running through drills but now, it is real life operation. So it’s the ECOMOG operation that I found memorable because it is the real baptism of fire. That’s why it is called baptism of fire because you know that war is real.
Let’s come home gradually sir. How did you meet your wife?
That’s another big and interesting question, you know myself and my wife were so close. I mean I love her very much and she loves me very much too. As a young man, there are some things you want to see in a wife. By the time I was getting to the level of considering that okay sometime in future I would marry particularly with the nature of Navy job that we are always on the sea. Interestingly, I wanted a wife who has faith, who is a Christian and even particularly of my faith so that the two of you can relate together and also secondly, I wanted a very pretty young woman. (general laughter) This will even interest you more, you know I am a black man like you, so I have to say I want somebody who is fair in completion. Then you can’t even be my girlfriend if you are not fair in complexion. What am I thinking of? I was already thinking of my children in future. I was already thinking of beautiful children that I don’t want my children to be as black as I am. So if you are going to be my girlfriend, you have to be fair. All my boys are very handsome and tall. In fact, all my friends knew that if you are not a fair lady, don’t go near Kayode. (laughs) To me, my wife is very fair in complexion, pretty girl and next thing is that, you must be a brilliant girl, somebody who has an ambition, who has a vision. She’s a lawyer and after that, you want somebody who is faithful. You know my own job I am always travelling, you are looking for a woman who will stay with the children because that’s very very important. So all those qualities, God put it in my wife. Now, our meeting. How did we meet? Again, through the church. In the church, we called it Catholic Youth Organization and we were both members. I was 23 years old then and she was 20 when we met. In that Youth Organization we belonged, you know during Easter, when you do the passion of our Lord, Jesus Christ, you stage a play, I was the King Pilate, she was the Queen Pilate and you know the role Queen Pilate played. That was initially our first close contact. We were both ordinary members, no strings attached. she’s very active, very active. She was the secretary of the organization. After the passion stage drama, the meetings continued. I didn’t even think about it and I am not sure she thought about it too. But every time during our meetings, if I am going to talk and the chairman has to indicate to me, he would say King Pilate and if she’s going to talk, they would say Queen Pilate. It became the talk. So after sometimes, you yourself would be curious ah ah what is going on? (general laughter). Somebody you don’t give a thought for, so naturally you too would get curious and look more closely. Things you have’nt seen before, you start seeing it and eventually we got closed. Then, after some few years, we became husband and wife. We met in the church and it’s quite a very happy family. We’ve been 44 years in marriage now. To God be the glory.
You served as the Military Administrator of Ogun State during the military era, how did you receive the news of your appointment?
I just finished a course from the National War College in Abuja then as a senior officer and a Naval Captain equivalent to a Colonel in the army. To God be the glory too, I did very well as usual because anything I am doing in form of training, my attitude is always ‘do your best’ and try to be counted. This has always been my policy in life. Coincidentally, the military Head of State then, General Abdusalami was the guest of honour during our passing out parade and the Chief of Naval Staff then was Admiral Ayinla. They were at the passing out parade. I was an award winner during the event. After the training, they usually give us two weeks, we call it disembarkation leave. That means two weeks to leave the college and relax from the rigours of the training. So during the two weeks, completely on holidays myself and my wife after she comes from work, we were always sitting down in the sitting room just playing and interacting. That very night, we were sitting on the floor watching the television and you don’t miss 9 o clock news in those days. So it was during the 9 o clock network news when they rolled out the news of the newly appointed military administrators and in a moment, the names keep rolling and all of a sudden Navy Captain Kayode Olofinmoyin was mentioned as the military administrator of Ogun State. You can imagine the shock. Its more of a shock. Just like that? So, that is the way the two of us received the news and the remaining is history.
If I could recollect the period of your appointment was a turbulent time in the history of Nigeria as it coincided with the pro democracy agitations against the criminal annullment of the June 12 election. How were you able to curtail the crisis and midwifed a smooth civilian transition in Ogun State?
You are right. Of course it was a very bad time for the military. The political class and the military were not friends. But you see, the beauty of it is that I have just finished Higher Management Training in the National War College and that training equips you to build relationship with all spetrums of the society. You must have the ability to manage situations. The very key part of the training is called crisis management as you know that military life is always crisis laden. A man in war front who is hearing the sound of guns and he is facing it is not a normal person. That is why whenever the military is involved, you expect some level of casualties, you expect death and that was the state Ogun State was then and the state was the epicentre of the crisis because of MKO Abiola who hailed from the state and just died then. So when I got there, it was a complete chaos. June 12 period around this time. Ogun State was completely locked down. No work, no business, crisis everyday, protests everyday. But luckily I am a Yoruba man. The skills of the traditional Yoruba respect for institutions, diplomacy and interaction came to play. So. I think these qualities are what God used to intervene in the situation. So, my first point of call was to engage the prominent traditional rulers in the state and being a Yoruba man, I warmed myself to their hearts. I know how to respect and honour them and in turn they too reciprocated by their support and love for me thinking this is a different soldier and mind you Ogun people are briliant people whom you can communicate with. They are not looking for anything from you. There are some Ogun State citizens who can fund the state. The likes of Adenuga, Oba Otudeko, Adebutu Kessington to mention a few. They are institutions. They are not looking for anything from you but what they want from you is respect and then, I can communicate, I can relate and interact. I think God was on my side and that was what did the trick. Let me shock you by saying that was why they tagged me ‘cool temper’. what happened was that the very week that I resumed office coincided with the time Abiola crisis was all over the place and then there was this 8 day fidau prayer for M.K.O Abiola and as the State Governor, I must be there to meet all these dangerous and riotous crowd. In fact when I was going there, the students would not allow my armed security details to enter the venue. As a matter of fact, they ordered my armed security to stay away far from me and how would a governor go to a place without his armed security?. So you are left with the option of saying no, you cant leave behind your security but of course, it would be very insensitive for you not to succumb to the popular will.
The ceremony became riotous. The students were moving to attack the many civilian VIPs that were perceived to beopponents of the late MKO Abiola. To prevent bloodshed I had to leave my guest of honour seat and with my plain clothes operatives, we blocked the students from reaching the civilian VIPs, I then started the song with the students; ”coolu, coolu temper. The students caught the bugof the song and thereafter tagged me as ‘cool temper’ The crowd too was excited as they joined in singing. The atmosphere then became lively and joyous. Why this is so was that both the students and the crowd saw me as ‘Johnny just come’ and I have not ‘chopped’ their money yet. It was my first week in office. (general laughter). so the cool temper catch phrase did the magic as I was able to calm down the tension and the ceremony was able to hold. But I know it was God because the university students during the period never hide their dislike for the military. They were so violent that they carry arms. They have hidden weapons, they would just shoot and moreover they know that your security men are not around but surprising enough, the students were the ones who escorted me out of the stadium to where my security men were stationed. So that was the way God calmed the tension in the state during that period.
The Navy belonged to the elite arm of the military, how has this shaped your life in service and now in retirement?
The Navy is not an elite club. You see, we have a fine military in Nigeria. Army, navy airforce. We all go with the same qualifications. So it is just a matter of choice. Army is as sophisticated as the navy. The weaponry they use this day are hitech. When you see the artillery weapons. When you look at their combat arms, the Armoured Corp, they use hitech equipments. The Airforce planes and the Naval ships are both hitech vessels. The environment of operations is what makes the difference. So, the navy is not elite, it is just like any of the services because all of us pass through a similar route.
You are one of the illustrous sons of Ilawe who had impacted positively in the town, what would you liked to be remembered for?
Talking about Ilawe, my love for Ilawe is a natural one. My dad is a typical Ekiti man. As an Ekiti man, you eat, you drink and live Ekiti life. So I have told you about my background and my first contact with Ekiti and so every Ekiti man has passion for his place of birth. If you have any opportunity you try to exhibit the Ekiti values in you. Look at our great leader and senior son, Colonel Adekunle Fajuyi. He was an Ekiti man who died for his guest. Some other fellows from other tribes could have said I am not the person they came for consequently abandoning his guest at the mercy of his enemies but as Ekiti man, the core value of integrity is there. So as an Ekiti man, as I was growing in stature, every opportunity I had I used it to make sure that Ilawe was well represented, I used any opportunity at my disposal very well for the people for progress. I can recollect that virtually all the roads in Ilawe were touched. When I was a young officer, the roads were all untarred. Let me share a very good story where that passison came from. Before, you cannot even drive your car to the street, Oke Emo, where I built my house. When you are going to my house, you must park your car in the town garage because the place is so rocky and then the time when my dad died, I had to approach the governor of Ondo State then, that was Oga Commodore Olabode George, you know we were in Ondo State then. I went to him and said Oga, I want to bring my dad home o, but I can’t get to my place and that was how he made it possible. He tarred from Ilawe to Igede, a terribly impossible rocky road, you know, and then all the other connecting roads. My other Oga too, Admiral Akhigbe, when he was governor of Ondo State, he was the one who tarred the road from Igbara Odo to Ilawe. All these projects were done during military regime not only military regime but during the era of naval officers as governors and that was because of my interactions with them. This is because anytime I went to them, I don’t ask for any favour but how to develop Ilawe I don’t allow them to rest because the town is always on my mind. So virtually, they did all the roads. I think at a particular time, Ilawe had the best network of roads and to God be the glory, subsequent governors are making the roads better. So in a way, Ilawe really benefitted from infrastructure during the military regime. Then again in the area of opportunities for our children, anywhere I am in terms of jobs, you would see presence of Ekiti not only for Ilawe people to the extent that I remembered when I was in Ogun State, you would see the influx of my people and friends from Ekiti to the extent that at a point in time some, Ogun people came to me to appreciate the way I encouraged and accommodated my people from Ekiti especially in the area of participating in the development of the state. They said all the governors they have been having before, what they would do is to go and bring Ibo people who would come and cart away their commonwealth because they don’t want people to know their secrets but they are happy that whatever the benefits that the people are enjoying, they know that it is Yoruba people that are enjoying it. Another landmark achievement for Ilawe Ekiti was the elevation of the Alawe of Ilawe-Ekiti to the status of a first class Oba in the Ekiti State Council of Traditional Rulers. Because of the close collaboration between Navy Captain Atanda Yusuf , the Ekiti MILAD and I, Captain Yusuf signed the edict that elevated the Alawe of Ilawe Ekiti and some other Obas in Ekiti to a first class status. The late Kabiyesi Oba Ademileka Adeyemi was the first Alawe as the BENEFICIARY of this status. This elevation brought to an end the long struggle of Ilawe in their bid to attain first class Obas status. So the lesson to be learnt is that any opportunity that you have in this life, let your people benefit from it because when you leave the place tomorrow, it is gone. I think that is my legacy for Ilawe and my love for the town
Would you encourage any of your children who wants to take a career in the military?
Really I had my second son. He was an officer in the navy, a Lieutenant (NN), very brilliant boy. So he went to NDA too graduated but unfortunately, I lost him. I don’t usually want to go beyond that. He was quite promising but there are circumstances in life that you cannot help.
Sorry for that sir
On a lighter mood sir, how do you normally unwind?
Like I said, I am a very active sportsman. I am a golfer. I am a member of Ado Ekiti Golf Club. Whether I am in Abuja, Lagos or anywhere I play golf. That sport is my medicine you know. I am lucky with my health. So I play golf. A game of golf lasts for about 6 hours! So you can imagine after a game of six hours, you just get to your house and knock off. It is something I recommend for you.
But its very expensive
No. Its not very expensive. that is a misnormal.
But what of the kits?
Let me tell you one funny thing, when you first go to a Golf Club to show interest in playing there are people who will give the golf bag to you as a gift to encourage you to play. Of course, this will encourage you to start playing
Lastly sir, at 70, you don’t look your age, not even 10 years below, what is the secret behind your youthful look?
Sport and God
How do you mean?
Let me add the third factor, discipline. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke. I relax, I do a lot of games. so that is the secret. Like I told you from my secondary school, I was sports prefect, so you can see from every level of my life, sports is something that has always been part of me. Let’s even think about it, you are not drinking, you are not smoking, something must occupy your time. So you will always see me most of the time in sports arena. In all, I think it is the grace of God and
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